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Details: iPhone 3G (locked to Rogers) functionality
July 30, 2008
2:42 pm
Osh
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Hi,

For those people who are in the market for a grey market 3G iPhone... I just wanted to confirm that the 7-11 SO sim is in fact working in the new and locked Rogers iPhones that are *activated*. Obviously you will get no data unless you are in a WiFi area; that's a limitation of the SO plan itself.

The SO sim does not work on BNIB factory sealed 3G iPhones, however. This is because all the iPhone functions, aside from the ability to make a 911 call, are locked until a current Rogers subscriber activates the phone through customer service.

The SO sim also does not work on iPhones locked to Fido.

I'm sure hardware and software hacks will come to fully unlock these phones straight out of the box -- like the 2Gs that came before -- but I will not discuss that in this forum.

Good to know before you plunk down a whole wad of cash.

Hopes this helps some people!

Cheers

July 30, 2008
2:45 pm
Iuli
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As in the other post, if you REALLY want a apple ripoff device, I think the Ipod Touch is cheaper than the Ipod phone. You can still use it in Wifi, etc.

You just have to carry your normal phone too.

July 30, 2008
2:54 pm
Osh
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Well, considering the recent spectrum auctions, and rumors of other carriers moving to GSM (read: upcoming competition) -- a 3G iPhone has a lot of potential resale value, and high market demand... whereas a Touch does not, in my humble opinion.

You also have the door open to switch to a non-contract plan, or a prepaid plan specifically tailored for the iPhone (should one materialise in the future.)

But yes, the Touch is a cost-effective option for those who want to split up functionality.

July 31, 2008
9:33 am
Big Ang
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I have to disagree with you Osh.

You should only get an iPhone (or any phone) cause you want it.

Saying stuff like resale value, blah blah blah, is basically trying to find logical left-brained reasons to try and justify something that your emotional right-brain wants.

Unless you plan on selling your iPhone in 6-9 months, the resale value is a non-issue. 6 months from now there will be people that want to buy it to use with Rogers (since any competitors will NOT be up and running by then). 9 months from now people will be looking forward to the next generation of iPhones.

Using the iPhone on any future GSM networks (which are at least 1-2 years away) will only work if Apple decides to let them sell the iPhone AND if it is somehow backwards compatible to the (what will be) older iPhones.

Oh course, if you jailbreak your iPhone it should work on other GSM networks, but someone who's going to jailbreak their iPhones will want the latest iPhone, and not something that's 2 years old.

A prepaid plan tailored to the iPhone? Yeah.... doubt it! Prepaid plans don't offer data now, and I doubt Rogers will spend the time and energy to offer it to the one or two people who want it when Rogers can easily tell them to get a monthly plan. I'm not faulting Rogers (or any company that would do the same thing), since prepaid users are light users and therefore don't make any company that much money. It doesn't make business sense to bend over backwards for your least profitable clients when you are already offering them a good compromise.

So, if you really want the iPhone, get it! Just don't kid yourself by trying to justify it with some other reason.

December 29, 2008
6:57 pm
Christine
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So am I right in thinking that a 1st Gen 4g unlocked iphone will work with the Speakout pre paid system.I'm getting a new iphone through Rogers but I have a 4g unlocked phone that my son would like to buy of me but does nt need a monthly plan he likes the look of speakout

December 29, 2008
7:11 pm
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So am I right in thinking that a 1st Gen 4g unlocked iphone will work with the Speakout pre paid system.

Yes, as long as you use the phone only only to make voice calls and exchange SMS messages.

December 29, 2008
10:19 pm
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Even though an unlocked phone may have all the latest gadgets on it, the only features that will work are those offered by Speak Out, such as voice mail, SMS, caller id, call waiting and three way calling.

February 2, 2009
1:04 pm
tinytanks
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I was interested in getting a 3G iphone and popping in a speakout sim card and using their pay-as-you-go service. I basically wanted an Ipod Touch and a simple phone all in one. I wanted to be able to use free wifi, but not have any data plan (ideally with data blocked so I wouldn't get charged mistakenly).

I just spoke with speakout's technical support and they said the sim card should work, but since they don't support any kind of Internet function, the wifi would not work. I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't get hit with any data charges, so I was surprised when he said wifi wouldn't work. I thought that was hardware and did not require any kind of activation.

Has anyone used a speakout sim card in an iphone (2G or 3G) and still been able to use wifi when there is free access available?

February 2, 2009
1:20 pm
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I just spoke with speakout's technical support and they said the sim card should work, but since they don't support any kind of Internet function, the wifi would not work.

I wouldn't rely on a SO rep's comments on this subject.

WiFi has nothing to do with 2G or 3G. That's why an iTouch can have WiFi support for web access without having any phone capability nor does it use a SIM.

February 2, 2009
2:03 pm
Johanna
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I have been using an Iphone 3G with Speakout for about 4 months. It works quite well (phone, sms text messaging, voicemail). The wifi works with my wireless router at home, and in hotspots around where i live.

February 2, 2009
2:25 pm
tinytanks
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Thanks for the replies. Johanna, when you activated the iphone 3G, did you have the speakout sim card in there or is it possible to activate it through itunes without a sim card? Also, is it safe to assume you haven't had any problems with data charges from Rogers (if it's a Rogers phone) because Speakout doesn't have any data options available?

February 3, 2009
4:28 pm
Johanna
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The phone was given to me by a friend and it was already activated. The sim just worked instantly when put into the phone, I didn't have to do anything to set it up. I have some experience with Iphone activations. Google a program called Ziphone and you should find some tutorials. There are no data charges because speakout doesn't offer data. This means that you have to be in a wifi enabled area to use things like internet & email. I seem to have some limited GPS service even when out of wifi range, but i don't think that has anything to do with speakout, and it doesn't cost anything.

February 8, 2009
7:13 pm
tinytanks
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I picked up a Speakout phone and tried the sim card in a friend's locked Rogers 3G iphone and it didn't work. The network connection did not pop up in the top left corner of the iphone's screen. He went to settings and saw the Speakout option there, but when selected, it still wouldn't connect to the Speakout network and no calls could be placed. Any ideas on how it could work?

February 12, 2009
2:27 pm
Johanna
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I would suggest trying it again, but wait a few minutes. The signal should show up. I know it sometimes takes a few minutes after I reset my phone for the connection to come back. Also you MUST turn off 3G in Settings. It won't work otherwise.

February 16, 2009
11:09 am
tinytanks
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Thanks Johanna! I tried again on my friend's phone and turning off the 3G did the trick. Much appreciated!

March 3, 2009
11:10 am
tinytanks
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Hello again,

I picked up an iphone through my wife's Rogers account. She was entitled to a hardware upgrade. We activated it through her sim card and called tech support to have all the data blocked. I turned off the 3G setting and put in the Speakout sim card and it works. However, we're noticing that when we are away from wifi, an E shows up in the top left corner beside where it says Speakout. Because we don't have a data plan on the Rogers account (we put the Rogers sim card back in the old phone) the iphone might still connect to the Edge network even with the Speakout sim inside, and cause some big charges to the Rogers account.

Have you had any issues with this E and charges, or is your phone off contract making this a non-issue?

Thanks!

March 3, 2009
3:54 pm
Johanna
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That E on the top of the screen just shows that you are in an EDGE capable area. If you were actually connected to EDGE, the E would show up with a circle around it. Because there's no data on Speakout, you will never actually be connected to the network. You may sometimes see a small white dot in that area as well, it is the same thing. Once you have taken the rogers SIM out, there is no chance of charges to that account. The phone is only associated with that account while the SIM is inside.

March 3, 2009
4:14 pm
tinytanks
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Thanks! What would I do without you?

August 17, 2009
11:56 pm
Senlando
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So from what I've been hearing, the "Iphone 3G" locked to Rogers works with Speak Out (like a cheap phone attached to an Ipod touch, which in my opinion is perfect for me)...

But, my question is, does the "Iphone 3G-S" locked to rogers also work with Speak Out?

Thanks in adviance

August 19, 2009
10:56 am
darthrider
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It sure does, I have been using a 32GB iPhone 3GS since they arrived on the market in June. I just pulled my sim card out of my nokia 7 eleven phone and popped it in the iphone. I didn't have to do any set up. All the functions, texting, voicemail, worked instantly.

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