what is the reason for certain things not working over data? | Technical service details | Consumer forum

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
what is the reason for certain things not working over data?
September 3, 2012
3:50 pm
parashep
Toronto
Newbie
Members
Forum Posts: 2
Member Since:
September 3, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I've been having a fairly good experience with SpeakOut data so far, though I'm still wondering why certain applications such as Mail (Gmail), IM (Trillian), and other various apps just won't connect over data. I've seen a lot of topics saying that some things simply just don't work over data, but I haven't seen why we have this limitation…

sorry if this has been covered before and I missed it.

September 3, 2012
4:41 pm
iamdrumming
Niagara Falls
Moderator
Moderators
Forum Posts: 2051
Member Since:
October 14, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

SpeakOut does not have a data plan, only an unlimited browsing plan. The only reason why we don't have full data is because Rogers (the network SpeakOut uses) cripples it.

September 3, 2012
4:48 pm
parashep
Toronto
Newbie
Members
Forum Posts: 2
Member Since:
September 3, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

iamdrumming said:

SpeakOut does not have a data plan, only an unlimited browsing plan. The only reason why we don't have full data is because Rogers (the network SpeakOut uses) cripples it.


alright, I think I've got the right idea now. thanks

September 3, 2012
7:49 pm
perfchris
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 10
Member Since:
November 8, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Because people abused it when it was full data. Rogers would not allow on pf their competitors using their network to take away prepaid business.

They consider speakout and petro canada using extra room on their towers.
If speakout and petro canada would have unlomited data it would cripple their paying data customers with a cap of 6gb paying 30 dollars.

parashep said:

iamdrumming said:

SpeakOut does not have a data plan, only an unlimited browsing plan. The only reason why we don't have full data is because Rogers (the network SpeakOut uses) cripples it.


alright, I think I've got the right idea now. thanks


September 4, 2012
1:22 am
fefrie
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 224
Member Since:
August 13, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

perfchris said:

Because people abused it when it was full data. Rogers would not allow on pf their competitors using their network to take away prepaid business.

They consider speakout and petro canada using extra room on their towers.
If speakout and petro canada would have unlomited data it would cripple their paying data customers with a cap of 6gb paying 30 dollars.

parashep said:

iamdrumming said:

SpeakOut does not have a data plan, only an unlimited browsing plan. The only reason why we don't have full data is because Rogers (the network SpeakOut uses) cripples it.


alright, I think I've got the right idea now. thanks



I still don't get the kind of person that complains (not saying that this thread is complaining) that if they don't like the UMB and how limited it is, why they just don't switch to a plan like mobilicty which has a $25 all inclusive plan for unlimited everything. Granted, you have to be in the 'Zone', but that's still a pretty good deal.

September 4, 2012
6:41 am
hieppo
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 27
Member Since:
December 17, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

UMB stands for unlimited BROWSING. Note the BROWSING word represent the day of the old phone with very poor display and processing capabilities. The UMB APN that Speakout has available for their customers is what Rogers used in the old hay-day for web browsing. This was meant for over PORT 80/443. It was meant for EDGE/2G speed so unlimited plan would not hurt them too much since you couldn't download that fast to begin with. One thing you would notice about the APN, is that it compresses thumbnail pictures on websites. This was to speed up the downloading on EDGE/2G and the slow phone to display. This does not mean you can't download the full image but you need to physically select it to download it rather than having it display on the browser.

The difference between the hay-day EDGE/2G and now is the connection speed can be now connected at 3G. You are still cripple by the PROXY server where you can only access PORT 80/443. Most apps depending on how they are program will utilize whatever ports they desire to be more secure. The only standard port would be 80/443.

For the GMAIL app, the standard port it uses to authenticate is 465 or 587. You can always access GMAIL via a browser because you are using 80/443. I know the GMAIL app on Android has a backup of using 443 if port 465 or 587 fails.

For IM apps, even if it authenticate on 80/443 you will need to maintain a communication port. This is usually set for another port. Hence, IM apps do not work on the UMB. There are services like Skype, eBuddy, Fring and etc that allows you to use their service and add popular IM like GoogleTalk, MSN and etc. This is sort of possible since you are using the middle app server communication on 80/443 to handle the traffic. it is not the best possible solution since messages will not be delivered instantly.

For many apps where a 2 way communication is not required but uses other ports, you can reroute it to 80/443 using apps like autoproxy and proxydroid.

Saying that, the UMB is great. It is a very affordable plan that will allow most users 80% of their internet need. If you are not satisfied with that option, like many others have whine there are other options. Just don't whine about the prices. You can't have everything. A business is to make money not to give it away.