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May 31, 2009
9:23 pm
Peter
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Hi all
Sorry I am sure this has been talked about, but I can't seem to find it. I am considering buying the 7-11 phone. But I travel to the east coast a lot. I am wondering can I buy a sim card (from let's say rogers) to use over there with an east coast area code? As well, does it mean I have to pay for a pay as you go plan from rogers? Is there a sim card that I can buy to make this happen with a SO 7-11 phone?

Thanks for your time and help
Peter

June 1, 2009
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I don't understand your question. A SO phone and SIM will work anywhere in Canada that's served by Rogers. When you travel on the east coast your airtime will incur the long distance charge. There is no need to get a separate SIM from Rogers or from anyone else.

June 1, 2009
5:33 pm
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Hi...

sorry I was confusing...my question is if I take my phone to Nova Scotia, I will have to pay the LD rate and minute rate...is it possible to get a sim card with a nova scotia area code number to avoid the LD fees?

Does that make sense?
Sorry again, I'm just trying to avoid long distance fees when I travel to nova scotia with a 7-11 phone.

thank you very much for your time and thoughts

Peter

June 1, 2009
10:06 pm
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Whatever your area code is, if you are in Halifax (for example) and call a Halifax phone number, then it is a local call.

Now, if someone were to call you, then it's a different story.

If you bought a Speakout phone and SIM, Speakout I assume that should be able to give you Nova Scotia area code and number. You can call them at 1-866-310-1023 just to make sure they have Nova Scotia phone numbers.

Assuming that you do not live in Nova Scotia all the time, then when you are at home, you may incur long distance charges when you are home and people call your Nova Scotia cell phone number.

I assume this is what you're planning on doing but I'll mention it anyways. I recommend getting two cellphone numbers, one at home, and one for Nova Scotia.

June 2, 2009
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Big Ang,

With all due respect, your first statement is plain wrong. This local calling area discussion has been brought up MANY times on this site, and the misinformation you have provided (especially when you have been told the truth before) must stop.

Your first statement says "Whatever your area code is, if you are in Halifax (for example) and call a Halifax phone number, then it is a local call."

That is wrong, and you have been told that MANY times before. Speak Out service is not like all the other phone services.

A Speak Out phone is tied to a particular area. For instance, if a phone was activated in Toronto, that phone's local calling is the GTA. If that phone is brought to Halifax, then ALL outgoing calls made from that phone are considered and billed as long distance, because that phone is tied to Toronto.
ANY outgoing calls are deducted as long distance calls, regardless if the person is in Halifax, and calls a Halifax number, because the phone is based in Toronto.

Once again, here is a copy and paste directly from the Speak Out site:

"While traveling, will my outgoing calls be long distance, if they are local to the city I am visiting?

Yes. You are charged long distance charges for any calls while outside your local calling area. Your phone number is assigned to the area you designate your local area."

I would appreciate if you would stop this misinformation, even though you have been told 3-4 times before about the local calling area. It is detrimental to newbies looking to learn.

Just a friendly warning.
Thanks

June 2, 2009
8:42 am
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if I take my phone to Nova Scotia, I will have to pay the LD rate and minute rate...is it possible to get a sim card with a nova scotia area code number to avoid the LD fees?

I take it that this NS SIM would be in addition to whatever SIM you already have. The answer is yes, if you buy a second SIM from someone here or on eBay, etc. (You can't buy individual SIMs from SO.)

When you get the second SIM you will have to call SO CS, tell them you've moved to NS (you'll need to know which town or city too that you prefer) and ask them to give you a new phone number in that exchange. But if you do that you'll also need to maintain two phone numbers, two accounts with two sets of airtime, etc. Unless you plan to do a lot of phoning it's probably not worth it.

June 9, 2009
9:59 pm
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Peter said:


if I take my phone to Nova Scotia, I will have to pay the LD rate and minute rate...is it possible to get a sim card with a nova scotia area code number to avoid the LD fees?


I'm just trying to avoid long distance fees when I travel to nova scotia with a 7-11 phone.

Peter: I'm not sure how to link a previous forum discussion but if you look at "Other Carriers" > "What Cdn long distance to add to SO" dated June2 I think it may help you out. It talks about using a prepaid l.d. card for the l.d. portion of the call; rates at approx 2.5cents on top of the local per minute rate.

June 10, 2009
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iamdrumming said:

A Speak Out phone is tied to a particular area. For instance, if a phone was activated in Toronto, that phone's local calling is the GTA. If that phone is brought to Halifax,

    then ALL outgoing calls

made from that phone are considered and billed as long distance, because that phone is tied to Toronto.
ANY outgoing calls are deducted as long distance calls, regardless if the person is in Halifax, and calls a Halifax number, because the phone is based in Toronto.


hi, just a clarification, from one of the newbies 🙂

I understand what you say about SO phones being different than others, and being tied to an area.

above you mentioned ALL/ANY outgoing calls...

but... using your example, I thought if you bought/activated a phone in Toronto ---> then traveled to Halifax ---> and had calls to/from Toronto (while in Halifax with your SO phone)...

    those

calls would be considered local (unlike how other cellphone plans work)

is this not true?

p.s. going to Halifax with your Speakout phone from another province seems to be the popular thing to do, I thought it was just me 🙂

June 10, 2009
11:08 pm
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No, that would not be true.

If your phone is activated in Toronto, then the Toronto area is your local calling area. If you make outgoing calls from your Toronto-based phone while in Halifax, it is considered long distance, and will be deducted as such.

I kinda don't understand this point: "but... using your example, I thought if you bought/activated a phone in Toronto --> then traveled to Halifax --> and had calls to/from Toronto (while in Halifax with your SO phone)... "

You would not be calling "from" Toronto because you are presently in and calling from Halifax, since you have left your local calling area.

Plain and simple: ALL outgoing calls made from your phone while OUTSIDE your local calling area are deducted as long distance calls.

As for your last comment, it does seem that Halifax is the place to go to 🙂
I went there as a kid, and would LOVE to go back someday. Very beautiful place, and people. God bless all the Easterners! 🙂

June 11, 2009
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hi iamdrumming, thx for your reply.

now I'm really confused! 🙂 I fully understand what you explained, that is exactly what my original understanding was. but I received 2 different pieces of info on this topic, even ignoring the comment above by Big Ang...

1) from forum reader "Heather" in this post (post#9)
https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/other-carriers/what-cdn-long-distance-to-add-to-so/page-1/post-8511/#p8511

also, I received info directly from SO cust support, here is an excerpt of an email I received from them:

my question to SO CS was:

"My son will bring the phone to Halifax NS for 1 month, then return home.

1) if he KEEPS the original (604) telephone number that came with the
phone will an outgoing call he makes from Halifax to Vancouver be charged
local, or long distance airtime?

2) similarly, if I call from Vancouver to his Speakout phone with
(604) number while he's in Halifax, will he be charged local or long
distance airtime? "

and their answer was: (quote)
"If your son keeps his Vancouver number, all calls made from his handset
to Vancouver and all calls from Vancouver to his handset will be rated
as local calls. Any calls he makes to Halifax numbers or to numbers
outside the Vancouver calling area will be rated as long distance.
Askspeakout"

the SO CS agent's reply matches what I understood from Heather's post.

but this information seems to be contrary to your last post, unless I'm confusing your point.....

June 11, 2009
4:59 pm
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It really isn't that confusing
ALL outgoing calls made outside your local calling area are deducted as long distance calls. Period.

Again a direct copy and paste from the Speak Out site:

"While traveling, will my outgoing calls be long distance, if they are local to the city I am visiting?

Yes. You are charged long distance charges for any calls while outside your local calling area. Your phone number is assigned to the area you designate your local area."

With the quote above from SO CS, it seems like you may get a different answer to the same question. It just depends on who you talk to. I have talked to several SO CS agents about some issues, and they all gave me differing answers. Their website has all the information you need.

This is how I read the above quote, since it's only 2 sentences.

The first sentence states that all calls made from the handset WITHIN the Vancouver area will be rated as local calls, since the phone is based in Vancouver.

Second sentence reads:

"Any calls he makes to Halifax numbers or to numbers
outside the Vancouver calling area will be rated as long distance."

ANY calls he makes to Halifax numbers will be rated long distance because he is outside his local calling area (local calling area is Vancouver). The phone is tied to a particular area.

Once again, ALL outgoing calls made outside your local calling area are rated as long distance calls.