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9:59 pm
August 13, 2009
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I think people should be able to use UMB as they wish on their devices.
Personally, I don't think that it violates TOS if the person puts their sim in whatever device and just goes with that.
If you have to 'hack', then that violates TOS.
If I put a sim in my phone and Mail for exchange works, then that's just a plus for me.
If someone installs a program to circumvent port assignments, then that I think circumvents TOS.
Personally, I like the service to stay exactly where it is. Email is a great bonus. Streaming youtube onto your phone is just a waste of time.
I download all my youtube vids onto my laptop, then transfer it all onto my phone.
Youtube works just way faster this way. I'd never thought that i'd prefer youtube on my cellphone than my regular computer
10:18 pm
December 30, 2010
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The essence of the TOS of UMB IMO are:
1. on device usage so don't use it as a modem/wifi hotspot
2. the device is not intended to be full feature PC(thus don't put in a broadband capable laptop)
3. don't run a server on it(won't work anyway)
4. don't download/upload non-stop.
basically, fair use and not a broadband replacement.
of course other things like illegal activities etc but those are boilerplate.
11:20 am
February 1, 2012
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I think the term "hack" is a very grey area.
Is it really considered "hacking" to proxy apps?
Any type of app for websites that I can essentially use in my browser anyways should be a non issue. If I can go on facebook, youtube, netflix and hotmail through my browser than what is the difference between using the app vs going to the browser.
4:37 pm
December 30, 2010
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I don't think there is the term 'hack' in the TOS, that is only the interpretation of certain people on here. It is not even grey area, but invented conditions.
5:30 am
May 3, 2011
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mr deeds said:
I think the term "hack" is a very grey area.
Is it really considered "hacking" to proxy apps?
Any type of app for websites that I can essentially use in my browser anyways should be a non issue. If I can go on facebook, youtube, netflix and hotmail through my browser than what is the difference between using the app vs going to the browser.
The difference is that using the browser is what the terms of service allows. And if it works for you through the browser then why would you want to screw around with proxies and so forth.
Sooner or later you guys who insist on trying to make this into something it isn't (ie a data plan) are going to buggar it up for the rest of us who are happy with this very good value plan. If you want all the bells and whistles, go get a real data plan.
12:49 pm
October 14, 2008
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I couldn't have said it better myself. It is a unlimited browsing plan. That's it, nothing more. It was, and officially never has been an unlimited data plan. Never. If you need every app/feature to work with your phone, and want it all, go with Rogers or Bell. SpeakOut is a low cost 2G provider.
3:36 pm
August 13, 2009
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mr deeds said:
I think the term "hack" is a very grey area.
Is it really considered "hacking" to proxy apps?
Any type of app for websites that I can essentially use in my browser anyways should be a non issue. If I can go on facebook, youtube, netflix and hotmail through my browser than what is the difference between using the app vs going to the browser.
The issue here is that if data is just data as you proposed over and over again on this website, and you should be able to view your facebook, hotmail whatever using either proxied app or built in browser, then if you can proxy any data over any port, then suffice to say you can proxy any form of data.
Like VOIP data,
Then with a $10 unlimited proxied browser plan, you can have a phone with unlimited long distance and local, unlimited texting, and unlimited data for $10/month.
I'm pretty sure there are people doing this already.
Whine all you want about cell phone prices, but i'm pretty sure that most providers can't survive on $10/month per customer when the customer is bleeding the bandwidth dry.
Do whatever you want, the inevitable result coming is the end of unlimited browsing as it presently stands.
Personally, I would like this unlimited browsing to go away anyways,. Instead I would like data to be treated just like voice calls, on a per mb rate where my cash balance can roll over month after month.
10c/mb rolled up to the nearest mb per transaction (however that would be determined per time frame or connection...) sounds about right. Just like it's 20c/min rounded up to the nearest minute for voice.
6:06 pm
December 30, 2010
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proxy data cannot handle VOIP, not even not proxyed one. So no, even for those who knows how to do it, the usage is still limited to data that don't have timing sensitivity.
To give you a comparison, at home I have 30ms ping latency to my VOIP server, using cell data we are talking about 200-300ms, using proxyed UMB, 600ms+.
No one can use voice for that kind of timing. IMO, no one is in their right mind if they think this 10/month UMB can replace home broadband or cell voice service. cell data is only good for fill in on the road.
11:17 am
April 4, 2011
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for my option, whatever you use the UMB for. the key thing is how much you used a month. we should remember we only paid $10 a month. if you use a lot, even just browsing. it may let 7-Eleven lost profit. if 7-Eleven cannot make profit, it will close this service. I use wi-fi at home and in office. only use UMB outside for prepare somebody message or call me. I don't have too much calls, so I think 7-Eleven still can make money from my $10.
12:26 pm
April 22, 2009
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It is a little more complicated than that. If you rape the bandwidth at 3 am and no one else is using it, I do not think anyone cares. Problems happen when too many people want their internet at the same time. I believe Rogers has a reasonably good traffic priority management system in place. For example, there are times when you will just not get your youtube clip because the pipe are clogged at that moment in time.
I think 7 eleven will make it's money no matter what. Rogers, on the other hand, has to decide what is cutting into it's business, and what is business it will never get, so might as well make some bucks off 7 eleven and other MNVO's using their network. Rogers also has regulators to deal with, and other competition, such as it is.
5:34 pm
February 1, 2012
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bstreet71 said:
mr deeds said:
I think the term "hack" is a very grey area.
Is it really considered "hacking" to proxy apps?
Any type of app for websites that I can essentially use in my browser anyways should be a non issue. If I can go on facebook, youtube, netflix and hotmail through my browser than what is the difference between using the app vs going to the browser.
The difference is that using the browser is what the terms of service allows. And if it works for you through the browser then why would you want to screw around with proxies and so forth.
Sooner or later you guys who insist on trying to make this into something it isn't (ie a data plan) are going to buggar it up for the rest of us who are happy with this very good value plan. If you want all the bells and whistles, go get a real data plan.
I dont have to "screw around with proxies" it was very cut and dry on what to do. Simple to root android devices. It was 5 mins of my time for the whole process. Would hardly say it is "screwing around".
The reason why I dont use the browser for things like youtube is its a pain in the ass to have to type out the webpage and then use the browsers interface. The app makes things quick and painless. Laid out in a simple to use fashion.
3:44 pm
May 3, 2011
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mr deeds said:
bstreet71 said:
mr deeds said:
I think the term "hack" is a very grey area.
Is it really considered "hacking" to proxy apps?
Any type of app for websites that I can essentially use in my browser anyways should be a non issue. If I can go on facebook, youtube, netflix and hotmail through my browser than what is the difference between using the app vs going to the browser.
The difference is that using the browser is what the terms of service allows. And if it works for you through the browser then why would you want to screw around with proxies and so forth.
Sooner or later you guys who insist on trying to make this into something it isn't (ie a data plan) are going to buggar it up for the rest of us who are happy with this very good value plan. If you want all the bells and whistles, go get a real data plan.
I dont have to "screw around with proxies" it was very cut and dry on what to do. Simple to root android devices. It was 5 mins of my time for the whole process. Would hardly say it is "screwing around".
The reason why I dont use the browser for things like youtube is its a pain in the ass to have to type out the webpage and then use the browsers interface. The app makes things quick and painless. Laid out in a simple to use fashion.
You're still screwing around with the plan. Are you using the Browser? No? Then you are violating the terms of service. Pretty simple. Try to justify it anyway you like but you're still going to buggar it up.
