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November 12, 2011
6:11 pm
raleybob
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Has anyone able to activate their speakout phonenumber with iMessage? I mean instead of using iMessage via email, you are able to use your phone number to send and receive messages. I am able to use email for iMessage. I am not looking to use iMessage over 3G, I plan on using it over Wifi.

I have tried restoring several times, but I get stuck on waiting for activation.

November 12, 2011
6:22 pm
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Is it similar to this thread?

http://www.speakoutwireless.ca.....38;ret=all

November 12, 2011
7:22 pm
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Can you use facetime ? If not, iMessage would most likely the same. I am using a iPad SIM which is provisioned for data only and also have problem using facetime, not sure about SO though.

November 13, 2011
6:57 am
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iamdrumming said:

Is it similar to this thread?

http://www.speakoutwireless.ca.....38;ret=all


I understand that iMessage will not work over 3G. I just want to activate iMessage / Facetime with my phone number, not my email address. Facetime and iMessage work fine with email, I just cant activate my phone number with iMessage / FaceTime. Has anybody been able to do that?

November 13, 2011
7:13 am
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iOS5 doesn't differentiated between email and phone number for iMessage or Facetime. They both work on your apple ID (email address) for activation. I don't understand why you want to activate via your mobile number, if it works it works leave it be.

November 13, 2011
7:43 am
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altadude said:

iOS5 doesn't differentiated between email and phone number for iMessage or Facetime. They both work on your apple ID (email address) for activation. I don't understand why you want to activate via your mobile number, if it works it works leave it be.


Because, when someone with iMessage messages me, I can only reply with email, so it is kind of weird. They will send me a text message to my phone number, and I am forced to reply via iMessage using my email, this creates a lot of confusion. I get an error when I attempt to verify my number with Apple. I am asking if anybody has been able to verify their phone number with apple using speakout

November 13, 2011
8:39 am
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Your iMessage does not send via email. It should show up in your message center in blue not green. Blue is iMessage and is free. Only confusion would be the color of the text bubble. Everything else is exactly like sending a text. If you are trying to respond via iMessage and don't have a wifi connection it will fail. iMessage will not work via Speakout data.

You can't register iMessgae via phone number. Has nothing to do with Speakout. Apple works via apple ID and that is email based identification.

November 13, 2011
10:57 am
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Blue or green is not the issue, IMO. I think the OP is talking about the activation option in iMessage where your phone number is already there (non-editable) and then you can add an email/apple Id next to it.

Edit: see for example
http://modmyi.com/attachments/.....g_0001.png

With the above setup, any of your friendx can now send (using iMessage) either to your phone number or apple ID. It will still be blue. It just makes it even easier to find you.

So, I am interested in this as well.

November 13, 2011
11:36 am
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Corporate Gadfly said:

Blue or green is not the issue, IMO. I think the OP is talking about the activation option in iMessage where your phone number is already there (non-exitable) and then you can add an email/apple Id next to it.

Edit: see for example
http://modmyi.com/attachments/.....g_0001.png

With the above setup, any of your friendx can now send (using iMessage) either to your phone number or apple ID. It will still be blue. It just makes it even easier to find you.

So, I am interested in this as well.


Yes, I want to be able to be reached at my phone number, rather than my email address. I am fully aware that i cannot use iMessage through speakout data, that is not my intention. I plan on using iMessage through my wifi network only.

November 13, 2011
12:18 pm
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raleybob said:

Yes, I want to be able to be reached at my phone number, rather than my email address. I am fully aware that i cannot use iMessage through speakout data, that is not my intention. I plan on using iMessage through my wifi network only.


Last picture was from Facetime. Here's another one from iMessage:
http://d2omthbq56rzfx.cloudfro.....es-003.png
My IMessage "received at" screen doesn't even show the phone number row and I don't have a Caller ID row either. FWIW, I am jailbroken on ios 5.
November 13, 2011
2:39 pm
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Here is the thing, my phone was activated through rogers. The phone number in facetime and imessage is my wife's rogers number not my speakout number. I have my speakout sim in my (wife's) iphone 4s. My friends and family enter my phone number not my apple ID when they text (imessage) me. It works for me.

Have a friend with an iOS5 device enter your phone number and try and imessage you. Make sure they don't have your email or any contact for you in their device. I bet it works still.

November 13, 2011
4:09 pm
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I am having the same problem as the OP.

iMessage works fine when I am on wifi at home. As we all know it doesnt work on Speakout 3G.

When i am at home and text to another person on another cell network who also has ios5, they see my text as coming from an email address. This causes confusion.

I then went to compare my settings with a friend with an identical phone, but who is with Rogers.

Under settings-->messages...... iMessage says activation unsuccessful.
then when you go to "receive at" -----only my email address is listed. My buddy has his email address as well as his phone number listed on this screen.

email address is the appleID.

one can only suggest in my opinion, that because we are using speakout sim cards and them as a provider that imessage and facetime will not activate properly, thus the phone number will not be listed.

pity.

cheers

November 13, 2011
4:50 pm
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I've manage to activate iMessage with the phone number. I did a restore from backup from a backup from iOS 4.X.X and it seem to activate iMessage. However, when I turn off iMessage and turn it back on, I cannot verify my number [Image Can Not Be Found]

Also, if this helps anybody. I read on TheiPhoneWiki (http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/.....e=FaceTime) that the iPhone sends a secret sms to 49988 to register facetime. Is it possible that speakout does not support short codes that why we can't activate our phone numbers? What happens if we changed this number to the UK number?

November 13, 2011
5:16 pm
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You will see on the home page of this site (as well as stated on the official site) that short codes are not supported by SpeakOut.

November 14, 2011
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Unfortunately this discreet sms to a short code number is how Apple seems to activate it features, including Facetime. Still have seen no method for getting around this.

November 22, 2011
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I am confused with some users claiming they have this working in some limited capacity, it causes a lot of wasted effort. My view unless someone can correct me is activation requires SMS short code so on speakout an iPhone can't use iMessage or FaceTime in any capacity (i.e. it can't be used on WiFi as it can even with an iPod touch that has no phone at all). This is really disappointing.

If anyone has different information than this, please post the details.

November 22, 2011
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iphoneonspeakout said:

I am confused with some users claiming they have this working in some limited capacity, it causes a lot of wasted effort. My view unless someone can correct me is activation requires SMS short code so on speakout an iPhone can't use iMessage or FaceTime in any capacity (i.e. it can't be used on WiFi as it can even with an iPod touch that has no phone at all). This is really disappointing.

If anyone has different information than this, please post the details.


Absolutely correct that iMessage works in limited capacity on my iPhone 3GS (jailbroken iOS5) with a speakout SIM. The part that doesn't work is the inability of other iMessage users to find you with your phone number. There are absolutely no problems with other iMessage users finding your with your AppleID email (doesn't matter if it's on WiFi or not). For the record, my iMessage settings screens says activation unsuccessful, yet I'm able to send messages back and forth (other users find me by my email address only).

Hope that clears up the confusion about the limited capacity.

November 22, 2011
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Thanks for the update. It is strange, but I can't send to the registered appleid email even though that contact is associated with the phone. It the red x in other ios devices when entering that email. This is on a non jailbroken iOS5 device (rogers). Not sure if that has any effect. Are you able to use facetime?

November 22, 2011
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iphoneonspeakout said:

Thanks for the update. It is strange, but I can't send to the registered appleid email even though that contact is associated with the phone. It the red x in other ios devices when entering that email. This is on a non jailbroken iOS5 device (rogers). Not sure if that has any effect. Are you able to use facetime?


Can you make sure you have push notifications working properly? (you can use iPusher to verify). Sorry, no facetime for me (I have a 3GS).
November 24, 2011
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for some strange reason I was able to use imessage today whilst on 3g. (via email only). i have always had the functionality on wifi (via email only).

I was able to text other people using imessage and had the ability to attach photos too.

maybe a glitch in the system, or the ports were opened.