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        	<title>saxytim on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27905</link>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>seagame2001 said: </strong></p>
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<p>Here is some template from normal sim to nano sim </p>
<p>Micro sim to nano sim </p>
<p>so try it and let us know OK  <a href="http://www.airportal.de/How_to_cut_Mini_and_Micro_SIM_to_Nano_SIM.pdf" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.airportal.de/How_to" rel="nofollow">http://www.airportal.de/How_to</a>.....no_SIM.pdf</a></p>
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<p>I tried it and it worked. I have SpeakOut SIM working on an unlocked iPhone 5.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 06:45:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>hieppo on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27793</link>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Here is the information about the different SIM card formats.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_identity_module">Wiki Subscriber Identity Module (<strong>SIM</strong>)</a></p>
<p>Here are the different SIM dimensions.</p>
<table class="wikitable">
<caption>SIM card sizes</caption>
<tr>
<th>SIM card</th>
<th>Standard reference</th>
<th>Length (mm)</th>
<th>Width (mm)</th>
<th>Thickness (mm)</th>
</tr>
<td>Full-size</td>
<td><a href="/wiki/ISO/IEC_7810" title="ISO/IEC 7810">ISO/IEC 7810</a>:2003, ID-1</td>
<td align="right">85.60</td>
<td align="right">53.98</td>
<td align="right">0.76</td>
<tr>
<td>Mini-SIM</td>
<td>ISO/IEC 7810:2003, ID-000</td>
<td align="right">25.00</td>
<td align="right">15.00</td>
<td align="right">0.76</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Micro-SIM</td>
<td><a href="/wiki/ETSI" title="ETSI" class="mw-redirect">ETSI</a> TS 102 221 V9.0.0, Mini-UICC</td>
<td align="right">15.00</td>
<td align="right">12.00</td>
<td align="right">0.76</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Nano-SIM</td>
<td>ETSI TS 102 221 V11.0.0</td>
<td align="right">12.30</td>
<td align="right">8.80</td>
<td align="right">0.67</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Embedded-SIM</td>
<td><a href="/wiki/JEDEC" title="JEDEC">JEDEC</a> Design Guide 4.8, SON-8</td>
<td align="right">6.00</td>
<td align="right">5.00</td>
<td align="right">&#60;1.0</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>As you can see in the table, the embedded-SIM chip is the same for all the card formats.  Here is the actual SIM chip structure (the GOLD part you see on the card)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SIM_chip_structure_and_packaging.svg">GOLD contact</a></p>
<p>As you can see, the SIM chip international standard (PATENT design) has not change.  You have 6 contact points in the shape of brackets ( ).  The extra gold metal contact surrounding the bracket shape contacts are buffers possibly grounds.  That is why the newer SIM you see are smaller, it is removed in the later SIM packaging.</p>
<p>To SUM it up, yes the Speakout SIM would work if you can trim the excessive parts surrounding the embedded-chip without damaging it.  This should not be an issue.  I am sure there will be cutters available to trim the excess.  The most difficult part is to trim 0.11 mm thinner.  If you know how thin 1mm is 0.11mm is almost nothing.</p>
<p>I don't know how good Apple manufacturer can be but I am sure there may be some error room to stuff 0.11mm difference into the iPhone 5.  I am sure other manufacturers when they start designing phone to accept nano-sim format, there will be wiggle room.  If not, shaving 0.11mm should not be a tough task with a fine grinding stone and slow speed Dremel.</p>
<p>I don't see any benefit gains from slicing a few millimetres except to gain the control where it can only be used on one type of phone.  If Apple's intention was to give them more real estate area for other usage on the phone, they could just embedded the SIM IMEI right into the phone and just lock that portion out, just like CDMA days.</p>
<p>I hope Apple fail with their tactic to differentiate their phones with the masses.  Unfortunately, there are too many sheep lining up to purchase.  And the volume controls the standard even though there is no benefits from the new design.</p>
<p>I for one still think the original standard SIM is more than sufficient to use on all phone design.  I believe if they are going to make it smaller than get rid of it completely.  There is no real need for it now.  The SIM card main intention was to allow the portability of a unique identifier.  The secondary feature, they gave a piddly amount of storage space that can hold some telephone numbers, but no one really uses the telephone storage feature anymore.  And to have a chip to store a string or even a 1024bit encryption key is overkill.</p>
<p>There has to be a better solution.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:12:36 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>seagame2001 on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27791</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Here is some template from normal sim to nano sim </p>
<p>Micro sim to nano sim </p>
<p>so try it and let us know OK  <a href="http://www.airportal.de/How_to_cut_Mini_and_Micro_SIM_to_Nano_SIM.pdf" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.airportal.de/How_to" rel="nofollow">http://www.airportal.de/How_to</a>.....no_SIM.pdf</a></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 05:13:51 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>bridonca on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27775</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>The iphone 5 apparently uses another type of SIM card,  and it seems unlikely you can modify a Speakout SIM card to work.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:10:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>ID01 on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27772</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind the "LTE" problem with speak out are purely anecdote. I have no idea if other LTE phone will work properly. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, until we give it a try, there really is no way to tell whether Iphone 5 will work on speakout.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:54:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>chimpanzee on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27770</link>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>would the LTE on the 5 becomes an issue ? As other users reported mixed result for LTE enabled phones.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:18:48 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>seagame2001 on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27767</link>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Nice so let we know what happen to SO to nano sim </p>
<p>Apple tried to stop unlock that's why they came out with nano sim </p>
<p>I see eBay sellers already sell nano sim cutter <a href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Micro-SIM-card-2-iPhone-5-Nano-SIM-Cutting-Cutter-Regular-Tray-holder-2-adapter-/200819220963?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&#038;hash=item2ec1c221e3" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Micro-S" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Micro-S</a>.....2ec1c221e3</a></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:49:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>ccwestcliff on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27762</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,<br />
Just a few thoughts on this discussion:<br />
I personally believe that the information that it is not possible to modify a standard (ie SO) or micro SIM to nano SIM is not correct. The nano SIM is downward compatible so my suspicion is, that the technology is still the same while only the form factor has changed.<br />
Yesterday I took an old SIM card and first cut the corners straight to the borders of the metal contacts. I then took a nail file and took about 15% (guestimated) of the thickness of – without touching the chip and still some way to go.<br />
So I don't see a reason (without having tested it yet for obvious reasons) why I shouldn't be able to do this with a working SO SIM.<br />
Here you find a fairly good picture that could be a template: <a href="http://www.engadget.com/photos/the-nano-sim-is-here-0/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.engadget.com/photos" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/photos</a>.....is-here-0/</a><br />
So I will order the iPhone 5 tomorrow and will probably buy a new SO SIM to try before cutting and filing my "real" one.<br />
As soon as I have results, I will post them here.<br />
Chris<br />
ps. Using a SO (micro) SIM since February in different phones and I am very pleased with the network! I don't need 4G/LTE btw, just need data on the go for emails, maps and a bit of browsing, so I am fine with 3G in Toronto etc.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 05:54:13 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>seagame2001 on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27761</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I had older speakout sim card about 4 or 5 years old so the chip is a little bigger </p>
<p>My friend has new speakout sim card a smaller chip set so I am sure there is away to turn SO sim to nano sim</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 05:51:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>espresso on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27748</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>wazoodood said: </strong></p>
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<p>Well the iPhone 5 has been announced today and it is confirmed that is using the nano sim.</p>
<p>you CAN NOT convert a sim or micro sim to a nano sim.  a nano sim is exactly the size of the chip and it is also 15% thinner.  so a trimed micro sim will not work.  unless there is a way to make the micro sim thinner.   then speakout will work with the new iPhone 5.</p>
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<p>The site is down now, but <a href="http://www.noosyapple.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.noosyapple.com/</a></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:30:46 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>wazoodood on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27744</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Well the iPhone 5 has been announced today and it is confirmed that is using the nano sim.</p>
<p>you CAN NOT convert a sim or micro sim to a nano sim.  a nano sim is exactly the size of the chip and it is also 15% thinner.  so a trimed micro sim will not work.  unless there is a way to make the micro sim thinner.   then speakout will work with the new iPhone 5.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:11:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>ID01 on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27446</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>That is nice to know -some- LTE phone works perfectly. All the one I have tried does not work properly. Either low download speed, or not recognizing the carrier at all.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:22:27 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>gdallas on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27443</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>My Nokia Lumia 900 is an LTE phone and everything works except the map app.  And regarding Apple phones, as Fefrie said all new phones will use this card as the new standard maybe even the Galaxy S 4 for all you Android fans out there.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:35:09 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>ID01 on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27440</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>You can't port a SO number to Rogers Sim and keep SO's plan. Rogers Sim will only work with Rogers' plan.</p>
<p>Also, I don't think SO's sim card will work on any LTE phone at all. So far I have tried HTC One X LTE, Samsung Galaxy S2 LTE, and S3. Even if it is cut properly to work on an Iphone 4, the data plan won't work on any of those LTE phone, and in HTC One X case, won't even work at all. Not even just voice.</p>
<p>I would have to say the 4S would work fine on SO if you just want to us app that does not requires a full data plan, but any LTE capable phone (which Iphone5 most certainly will be) are going to be fairly wasteful or not work at all.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 08:04:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>andreww on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27433</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Lets just be clear that Apple never says anything about its new products prior to release. Anything that you have heard about the next generation iPhone is nothing but rumours and schoolyard gossip. So who knows what kind of SIM it will use?</p>
<p>That said, given the restrictions of Speakout's data plan, I really see no advantage to owning the latest iPhone. In my opinion using the 4S on Speakout is a bit of a waste. The 3GS would likely be able to do everything the 4S would on Speakout! Of course the iPhone 4 has an HD camera so I wouldn't argue using that, but the 4S or the iPhone 5 would just be a complete waste of money.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 03:53:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>gdallas on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27432</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>That's a really good question about porting a number to the Rogers sim but my gut is telling me not possible.  </p>
<p>Well, all that we can hope for is that SO keeps a generation behind in sim card technology because I know you can cut a micro sim to a nano sim.  But if they keep to the regular ones we're hooped at getting the latest smart phones.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:15:25 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>pathfinder35 on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27431</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Would we be able to use a Rogers nano sim card (that I expect them to release with the new iphone) and port our Speakout number to it?</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:00:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>fefrie on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27417</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>It doesn't matter. Apple patented the nano-sim and has made it the defacto standard for the nextgen sims.</p>
<p>Maybe that explains the lack ofnew phones with speakout with the standard sims.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 22:47:59 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>bridonca on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27415</link>
        	<category>Phone/Device Issues and Features</category>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>If we are lucky,  this is when Apple takes a nose dive for offering such stupidity.  I have no idea how compatible it is either, and fortunately I do not care, because there are better, and cheaper phone products than what Apple is currently offering.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:48:35 -0700</pubDate>
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        	<title>gdallas on iPhone 5 nano-sim card</title>
        	<link>https://www.speakoutwireless.ca/speak/phone-features/iphone-5-nano-sim-card/#p27413</link>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a SO sim card today and cut it down to fit my Lumia 900 and it got me thinking.  </p>
<p>Next month the new iPhone will be released with a nano-sim card.  Looking at a few pics of the sim on the web it looks very small and changing my regular to micro-sim seemed very tight to begin with.  I don't think there's a way to cut the sims any smaller unless you can cut right through the chip itself.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 00:56:45 -0700</pubDate>
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