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They charge $10/GB for overage, so those who are complaining that SO cut them off their $10UMB plan for 10GB overage really need to cram it.

The UMB plan is not meant for those who want to fully feature their phones.

The cynical side of me says that they only make phones that are functional only by consuming large amounts of data, therefore keeping telcomms happy.

Oh yeah, and also collect personal data about you and sell it to others.

Personally, I'd prefer that they provide a reasonable per KB rate similar to a per minute rate so that if I really need to check my email or some other data.

Cold Cash said:

chimpanzee said:

in general, you run a business because you want to make money, and you proposed plan would only benefit the customer(which i welcome) and not SO

The big three 'cheap data' relies on the other base income of ~50 a month.
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Actually, I'm suggesting that SO would be directly competitive with
other "unlimited" plans. In the case of Public Mobile they are
also now offering unlimited voice/text/data at $40 for 1 year.

I'm merely suggesting an option for SO that would see
them on average charge $10/month for 2GB in total likely
for most customers. It allows really light users to extend
the advantages of SOs voice plans to data as well. And
it would make SO directly competitive with other
players who are flogging $35 UMD plans.

Naturally if SO can't make a buck at it they won't
do it. But then there is still the question of how
the competition does it???

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That's $40/month for 1 year which is a lot different than$40/year

Correct.

OTOH, a $5/GB plan limited to (e.g.) $35/mo
wouldn't actually kill SO anymore than their current
by the minute voice plans, which could easily amount
to phone service at $25/yr if your not a heavy user.

In fact it likely would fly easily for SO
and most of their customers.

As for net hogs burning 100GB/mo, the only
question for SO is how does the competition
handle it???

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which competition has 5/GB data only plan ?

I can't even find 10/GB or else everyone using UMB would have changed.

Technically, even Rogers has $6/Gb data plans...
But you have to buy $60/mo worth. Oh, and
they actually were flogging a $5/Gb one as well
to "loyal customers"...

Not what you mean, of course, but you can see
the cracks in certain business models there.

chimpanzee said:

in general, you run a business because you want to make money, and you proposed plan would only benefit the customer(which i welcome) and not SO

The big three 'cheap data' relies on the other base income of ~50 a month.
...

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Actually, I'm suggesting that SO would be directly competitive with
other "unlimited" plans. In the case of Public Mobile they are
also now offering unlimited voice/text/data at $40 for 1 year.

I'm merely suggesting an option for SO that would see
them on average charge $10/month for 2GB in total likely
for most customers. It allows really light users to extend
the advantages of SOs voice plans to data as well. And
it would make SO directly competitive with other
players who are flogging $35 UMD plans.

Naturally if SO can't make a buck at it they won't
do it. But then there is still the question of how
the competition does it???

That's $40/month for 1 year which is a lot different than$40/year

I can't even find 10/GB or else everyone using UMB would have changed.

in general, you run a business because you want to make money, and you proposed plan would only benefit the customer(which i welcome) and not SO

The big three 'cheap data' relies on the other base income of ~50 a month.
...

Actually, I'm suggesting that SO would be directly competitive with
other "unlimited" plans. In the case of Public Mobile they are
also now offering unlimited voice/text/data at $40 for 1 year.

I'm merely suggesting an option for SO that would see
them on average charge $10/month for 2GB in total likely
for most customers. It allows really light users to extend
the advantages of SOs voice plans to data as well. And
it would make SO directly competitive with other
players who are flogging $35 UMD plans.

Naturally if SO can't make a buck at it they won't
do it. But then there is still the question of how
the competition does it???

Are there others like myself who would like to see a plan like this?

The big three 'cheap data' relies on the other base income of ~50 a month.

SO's UMB based on the assumption that not that many people would really use it that much(typical heavy oversold tactic employed by like those web hosting companies)

unlimited 3G full data @ 10 was a flop. I haven't seen that kind of pricing except may be in Europe.

I continue to say keep the UMB and not full data.

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Just a thought. It doesn't have to be either/or.

For e.g. they could charge $5/GB ( roughly the current Rogers "deal" )
on a GB basis. That means you use 0GB you pay nothing, you use
2GB you pay $10. This is a bit like current SpeakOut minutes.

OTOH, at some point ( e.g. $30 - $35 ) in any given month,
then the invoice is capped. That means that at say after $30 worth
of GB in any month, the service becomes "unlimited" for
that month.

Typically, if you don't use streaming sources,
( e.g. netflix, yourtube, etc ) it takes some
work to exceed 2GB/month ( like you dl the
latest full up SUSE iso file type of deal ) so
this should easily make a lot of people happy,
make SpeakOut competitive ( with say PublicMobile )
and keep the company in cash.

There are options out there, so why
sweat it?

thanks. i never use whatsapp, just faintly second hand info from RFD.

Actually, whatsapp works on Android as long as you root the phone and install something like autoproxy. On iOS devices, it won't work (as far as i know)

I once tried it on my gio(after it is locked to the sat) and it correctly shows my movement on the bus(that is when I have download the map before hand), and I didn't have a data plan.

My Gio comes with the 'A' part disabled. And it has a very weak GPS so it took a while for it to lock.

my new xperia ray on the other hand is very fast in locking and very accurate. Once the GPS is locked, it don't actually need cell data, if you download the map before hand.

I have a nokia, which means that I have all of canada bascially loaded onto my phone (1gb)

Does A-GPS work WITHOUT data? Does the A-GPS just use cell tower info received as per standard GSM transmission?

my new xperia ray on the other hand is very fast in locking and very accurate. Once the GPS is locked, it don't actually need cell data, if you download the map before hand.

This is an excellent reply, to which I have a question; does the current $10/mo apply to gps functionality or would that feature only work with the 'full data' rollout? I'm looking for a data-only plan. I've read that Rogers/Bell offer a SIM for $7/mo?

GPS locational is actually more complicated. The current Android device actually uses the cell towers to help get it's location. AKA aGPS (Assisted GPS). As GPS are not necessary accurate or stable in consumer devices, and also draws power.

The key question here is whether your Android will be able to get Cell tower assistant... and the answer is... YES, it does get help from the cell tower to get it's location because all the device need to know is where that cell tower is, and Roger does provide that information to the phone. Which means your android locational service is just about as good as whether it have full data plan on another wireless provider with no data on it.

As for using Google map, the post prior to mine answers it.

Only drawback is 3G sucks battery life big time, so you have to constantly plug it into the cigarette adapter and it barely charges while you use 3G and navigation.

Currently, UMB aka unlimited browsing is a data plan that is limited to port 80 / 443. Which only allow access to http:// and https:// for the most part. Just for browsing. This, for example, won't allow you to check e-mail directly from an app, cause imap access port 143, no google voice search / Apple sirius, no app store, and most VOIP software without any workaround apps like a proxy app, which requires root access to your device for Android phone, won't work.

A full data plan would be one where it allows most of the common port, which is commonly known as a full data access. Which means it will be the same as your home internet connection and large majority of the programs are expected to work. It is also possible that the full data plan will be faster, too.

Overall it depends on your needs. Currently the UMB plan on SO is very good, it provides the market a unique product where we can't get anywhere else. A full data plan, unless priced very well, are not going to add much to the market, and generally speaking, not worth losing /damaging the UMB offering.

This is an excellent reply, to which I have a question; does the current $10/mo apply to gps functionality or would that feature only work with the 'full data' rollout? I'm looking for a data-only plan. I've read that Rogers/Bell offer a SIM for $7/mo?

Hello,

SpeakOut Wireless is working on a full data plan which we hope to introduce sometime this year, however we do not have any further details available at this time.

Thank You,
AskSpeakOut

I continue to say keep the UMB and not full data.

There are other options like bell prepaid or koodo prepaid which offers reasonable pricing for data/voice/sms combination. Just go that route if full data is really that important(which honoursly speaking not that critical).

I know how to and have the setup in place but don't even bother to turn it.

Using cell mobile data for VOIP is just the wrong way of doing it, IMO. No matter how good your codec is, it is just not reliable given the cell mobile data nature. cell company's voice has QoS that is way ahead.